Dinobot.....is a Tragic Hero?

una · Unread post by **una** » Thu Nov 16, 2006 5:30 pm

In my English honors class, My teacher was talking about a tragic hero

She says that a tragic hero by definition

-has a tragic flaw
-dies a tragic but Honorable death
-Not totally good but not totally bad either
-makes a judgmental error

There are others but when she was teaching this I thought Of Dinobot he matches most of the descriptions

I just wanna to know what yoy guys think

Wicked Woman · Unread post by **Wicked Woman** » Thu Nov 16, 2006 6:13 pm

Yep! Dat's ol' Chopperface to a tee!

and if my sister read this and was into BW, she'd state "There is no good or evil, only what you see them as"

But yeah, DinoBot is sooo like that.

WW

fizzybird · Unread post by **fizzybird** » Thu Nov 16, 2006 6:19 pm

Yep, those trades are just Dinobot.
And you can actually see them through the course of the series.
They just keep coming back.

Sinead · Unread post by **Sinead** » Fri Nov 17, 2006 7:02 pm

Bingo.

What's better, is that every series has to have one Tragic Hero. It's an archetype that makes every show just that bit more "real" or tugs on the heartstrings a bit more than what you would expect.

RobotInDisguise · Sun Nov 19, 2006 1:08 am

Yup, Dinobot is a tragic hero. He's great, but his hyprocrisy, doubt, and warrior's pride kinda contributed to his downfall. Well, maybe not hypocrisy, but the other two are definitely tragic flaws.

Jagna · Unread post by **Jagna** » Sun Nov 19, 2006 7:49 am

i love tragic characters! esp dinobot!
but una, hav u read macbeth? im assuming those were just the first few she taught u about a tragic character, coz what my teacher was discussing with the class was how you could relate the same traits to Blanche DuBois in a streetcar named desire!!!
i wouldnt even begin to compare dinotbot to flippin othello, but i think of anything i have read or seen, ol' lizard lips is the only one iv ever related to.

ps...aint lit hard? stupid assessment objectives!

die shakespear. BURN IN THE PITT!

una · Unread post by **una** » Sun Nov 19, 2006 10:32 am

I have heard of Macbeth. I wanted to write an essay of a tragic hero about Dinobot but My teacher said we have to do it on the book we are reading called "THings Fall Apart"

Have you read that book Jagna?

I think I would of enjoy writing about Dinobot more interesting

Jagna · Unread post by **Jagna** » Mon Nov 20, 2006 1:48 pm

actually when u mentioned tht book, it sounded familiar...i went online and...its chinua achebe!!! we did some of his poetry last year
i went to the school library today (expecting little) and the librarian yanked it off the shelf right behind her! OUR SCHOOL! whew, anyway
im already into the third chapt (yea, yea, im a slow reader) and this guy sounds eerily like what dinobot might have been...bbrrr*shivers*
anyway, thanx for the refrence, una...it is a good read so far!
toodles

ps...the book i took out has annotation all over it if u want some hints...

stinkbomb · Unread post by **stinkbomb** » Tue Nov 21, 2006 8:06 pm

another thing that links Dinobot and shakespere: he has frikkin soliloques!

Sinead · Unread post by **Sinead** » Wed Nov 22, 2006 12:00 am

There's nothing wrong with soliloquies. They're artistic.

Jagna · Unread post by **Jagna** » Wed Nov 22, 2006 5:58 am

i have written a poem in dedication to Dinobot...i wrote it a while ago, and i think this is a reflection of his tragic elements and his internal struggle...i think this might be what he was thinking before the human valley incident (*bawls her eyes out*) sniff. here it is:

Tear me open, pour me out.
Bear witness to my sins
From all that I have led to see:
Tear me open. Pour me out.
Battle is my morning route,
Fighting inwards, slaughter out.
All this pain that’s just external:
Made internal,
Bear witness to my crimes.
All external. Made internal.
If we all are merely mortal
Can there be a god? that
Walks among us; tall and strong,
No. there is only the
Warrior.
Rip me open, crash me out,
Hear this thing I am today:
Warrior, I say.
Just external. Just internal.

...

what do you think?

una · Unread post by **una** » Wed Nov 22, 2006 12:07 pm

I think it describes Dinobot perfectly Jagna

Sinead · Unread post by **Sinead** » Wed Nov 22, 2006 4:13 pm

dude. that just is awesome . . . With your permission, could I find a tune for it?

Unread post by **SilverfromOZ** » Wed Nov 22, 2006 5:01 pm

Alas poor Tarantulas I knew him Cheetor! This is the leg that stalked so many

To be or not to be that is the question. If these disks... etc.

I love Shakespearian tales and there is no other way that you could have made Dinobot and let him get away with half of the stuff he did. Hamlet is my personal favourite play and I love how the writers envoked all of the best characteristics of Shakespeare in both Dinobot and Silverbolt. Dinobot is probably closest to Hamlet (sans the insanity.. kind of) with a slight mix of Macbeth thrown in there, but I say Hamlet because he is caught in this great stuggle, both in the events around him and the choices he has to make. The "To be or not to be" is taken directly from Hamlet and this is Hamlet's contemplation of suicide (I'm not going to give the plot away for those who have not seen/read the play), and it is equally a difficult choice as Dinobot contemplates destroying the disks. Additionally, Dinobot was definitely thinking of killing himself at the beginning of Code of Hero but ultimately fights on to the warrior's death he so deserved.

While I'm on a sufficient rant, I'll add the Silverbolt analogy here too. Silver is a cross between Romeo and Othello. Romeo is the whole "Dark poison of my heart" side of things and Othello is the "green eyed monster" of jealousy which appears when Cheetor gets into TM2 mode. Having this jealous nature does not make him evil or have a dark side (come on its Silver!) it just makes him more "human" for want of a better word. It is quite ironic (and I speak now from my own experience) how those who are the most romantic end up being quite possessive. It is a positive form of possession and if the other person enjoys love attention being lavishly given to them, then everything is good and well. However, this attention can become overbearing. That's why Blackarachnia and Silverbolt work so well. Silver is always giving 110% and she is an ambitious girl who enjoys achieving and being given all this attention (even if she says she doesn't).

Blast! Who's idea was this? It is a very dangerous thing to get me started on Shakespeare and combining it with Beast Wars is just bad all round. You're lucky I stopped ranting after two paragraphs

Jagna · Unread post by **Jagna** » Thu Nov 23, 2006 7:55 am

lol interestin analogy silver...i personally wouldnt have thought of silverbolt for this thread but there you go...

thnx una + sinhead...

u have my permission to find a tune for it...itll b interesting coz im trying to write one! im not sure wheter i shd just hav guitar or a piano accompanyment with it...ugh...but lol go ahead. and thnx again!
toodles!