Breaking news!!! BEAST WARS CHARACTER IN NEW TF MOVIE!

[Kittie Rose]

My thoughts exactly, WW.

Unfortunately, people have seen the designs and the (earlier) script, as well as the attitude of the production staff. So they're perfectly entitled to knock them.

They don't look near as much like the characters they're meant to represent as they could have; nowhere near it in some cases. The "It's not G1" argument is a pile of rubbish since it should be G1 to begin with; it's the most recognised, the only one that pierced the mainstream, and it's hardly keeping close to Armada or RiD; and if it's not G1, what's with the G1 Autobot names, some G1-ish alt modes, mostly G1 Decepticon names, G1-like Plot, "Spike" and "Sparkplug", and all the G1 type things being used to push the movie, such as the comicon Prime truck and using the original G1 font(albeit slightly editted)?

The movie is "G1" for much of the same reasons it ISN'T Beast Wars.

What bothers me is that people defending the movie ignored those. I'm not going to bitch at someone for liking it, but I will bitch at someone for acting like those that don't are somehow not "open-minded" enough.

The thing I dislike about the movie though isn't the designs by far - it's the fanbase reaction, with one half tearing into the other just for acting like you'd expect fans to. It disgusts me the sheer amount of bias some boards have, some even going so far as to ban people just for being strong opponents of the movie(Esp. Don Murphy's board, and "Nelson's" board; though the 4 main TF boards, Seibertron(before Ryan's escapades), Allspark, TFans and TFW2006(especially) have had their moments too).

It really has to stop. Whether any given person likes the designs or not, it's obvious they're upsetting a lot of people. Personally, I quite like these new pictures, but I'm not going to tear into anyone that doesn't. People who don't like things usually give actual reasons; many supporting the movie are just all out WOW THIS WILL BE THE BEST MOVIE EVER BAY HAS HOT DESIGNERS WORKING FOR HIM!!! Just because something is a negative opinion does NOT make it "wrong" or somehow inferior to a positive opinion; as there's no telling at that level of simplicity whether what they're criticising is bad or good. Criticising a bad thing is little different from praising a good thing; they ultimately have a similiar effect. What many TF fans are doing, are writing off the fans that disagree with them as "closed minded" and "full of hate", conjuring up images of homophobes and racists. This is ridiculous. Again, just because something is negative towards something doesn't mean it's wrong. Religious fundamentalists use this all the time to defend whacky beliefs; oh stop hating on our "Drown the fags" policy!!!

I really would appreciate it if people didn't get up to that here, I came here to get away from that on every other board, Beast Wars is my favourite series at the moment anyway. If you can't, then I'd rather there not be any movie talk at all, so I'll keep out of it.

[Miss Special]

So far, the only person who has made a huge deal about the movie whatsoever is you.

[Sinead]

Take a breath and calm down, Kittie Rose.

First off, I don't know how the trans and alternate lifestyle talk got in your earlier post. That is hardly the issue at hand.

Second, I have a sister who works at a school with special (both high- and low-function students), and I know what they have to go through, via her. I'm not uneducated in that regard. I just wish that you'd be aware of the fact that some siblings to those with mental disabilities are NOT comfortable or accepting of what they have to go through.

Third, I am in no way asking you to limit your descriptive creativity or your communication. There are ways of describing things without becoming offensive, crass, or otherwise callous. I'm just asking you to take into consideration that 13-year-olds read this forum. BWINT is, was, and will be a kid-friendly environment. Everyone remembers that, and if they wish to have adult-level debates and conversation about TF or any other subject, they take it to AIM or the like to discuss it there. That's how things have been for the last five years. I doubt that it will change.

Fourth, PLEASE moderate your language! Every other TF fan on this board abides by that rule! It's posted before you come into the board through BWINT, and it's posted in the rules ON this board. Swearing has never been allowed. If you haven't read those rules, I suggest that you do so, because the cussing is beginning to become annoying. Plus, it's against the rules.

Fifth, I urge you to be as open-minded as you say you are. That means seeing things from my point of view as well. There are kids who read these comments and threads. Keep that in mind.

I just ask you to be civil to others. Open-minded. Willing to accept them as being equals, and for most of us, having been here a lot longer than you have been, thus we know the atmosphere of the forums, and how they are usually run.



Now, as for the ON TOPIC comments I have about the TF movie 2007:

BW isn't G1. Nor was it meant to be. Energon, Armada, all those other shows weren't G1, either. And they weren't meant to be. They used the same names, styles for alt-modes, font, almost everything . . . and they weren't G1. They were completely new arcs. Completely new stories to be told. That's what this movie is. And I'm glad because of it. Transformers has needed a kickstart like this for a while.

[Kittie Rose]

So far, the only person who has made a huge deal about the movie whatsoever is you.

I was only poking fun at the revised Megatron's resemblence to Inferno; and I got these kind of comments back - "Okay, now this anti-movie spiel of yours is starting to get annoying..."

I was only expressing my opinion on the movie and how the fans are reacting to it, I don't see what's wrong with it.

That's what this movie is.

But it really isn't. So far, it seems to be mostly recycling G1 ideas. It's only really the designs that are "new" and they're still just new designs for G1 characters.

If it's not G1, why are Jazz, Bumblebee, Iron-hide and Ratchet in it? They were big G1 characters, but they haven't been major players since the 80s.

Yes, it's a "new start". I don't see why that gives them infinite freedom with the source material. Being a "new start" doesn't mean it's a good new start.

Also, pay attention to the movie's title - it's called simply "Transformers". Not "ULTIMATE Transformers". The series is not subtitled in any way either - it is being pushed as being based on THE definitive Transformers. Only G1 was ever consistently called just "The Transformers", anyway.

If they really want to push for something far out there - why not use new characters like Beast Wars did? I doubt Beast Wars would be revered as it was if it was being pushed as THE Transformers, and not as something different(Beast Wars big shiny font, Transformers small basic font, remember?).

[Sinead]

And yet "Transformers" is used to describe EVERYTHING that is of that genre. It IS the genre. So I don't see how that can be considered an issue. And they might even change the title before it hits theaters, just to send people for a loop. That tactic has been done before.

And haven't all the other Transformers series recycled character names? Multiple times? Just pointing that out to you that sure it may not be original, but when have the words "original" and "new" have been synonyms?

And why do they have infinite freedom with the source material? They paid enough money to do so.

[Miss Special]

I really would appreciate it if people didn't get up to that here, I came here to get away from that on every other board, Beast Wars is my favourite series at the moment anyway. If you can't, then I'd rather there not be any movie talk at all, so I'll keep out of it.

That's what I was referring to. Until you came along, there weren't any recent threads about the movie, nor was there any talk of it. Yes, some of us are interested in the movie, but this is ultimately a Beast Wars forum, which is what we talk about the vast majority of the time.

No one was talking about the movie until you made a post about it in the pre-BW Airazor thread. No one was talking about it further until you made this thread.

No one else is being nearly so defensive about it one way or the other.


As for the movie itself, it's being targeted at the general public, not specifically Transformers fans. If the writers and designers and Michael Bay tried to appease every fan, the movie would never get made.


Anyways, you need to calm down. If you can't handle discussion about the movie, then don't. Talk about Beast Wars. Or handpuppets. Or something else.

[Kittie Rose]

Until you came along, there weren't any recent threads about the movie, nor was there any talk of it.

That's okay then - I NEVER once said people were, I just pointed out how uncomfortable that made me. I think you're making a bit of a deal out of it. Just because I point something out doesn't necessarily mean I'm making a deal out of it.

As for the movie itself, it's being targeted at the general public, not specifically Transformers fans. If the writers and designers and Michael Bay tried to appease every fan, the movie would never get made.

But the majority of the "Pro-movie" fans would have been happy with Alternator style designs, or general updated G1/UT designs - that's what made them fans after all! But an awful lot of fans, especially those who are fans of the characters and not toy collectors(many fans like the designs simply because they're nifty new toys to collect) don't take too well to these designs at all.
So they could certainly have pleased a lot more fans than they have. I don't see how they're trying to please the fans at all except in minor nods. I know Optimus Prime does look a good bit like Optimus Prime, but come on, they really do need that if they hope to catch any of the nostalgia crowd.

[Miss Special]

Until you came along, there weren't any recent threads about the movie, nor was there any talk of it.

That's okay then - I NEVER once said people were, I just pointed out how uncomfortable that made me. I think you're making a bit of a deal out of it. Just because I point something out doesn't necessarily mean I'm making a deal out of it.

If talking about the movie makes you uncomfortable, why did you bring it up?

As for the movie itself, it's being targeted at the general public, not specifically Transformers fans. If the writers and designers and Michael Bay tried to appease every fan, the movie would never get made.

But the majority of the "Pro-movie" fans would have been happy with Alternator style designs, or general updated G1/UT designs - that's what made them fans after all! But an awful lot of fans, especially those who are fans of the characters and not toy collectors(many fans like the designs simply because they're nifty new toys to collect) don't take too well to these designs at all.
So they could certainly have pleased a lot more fans than they have. I don't see how they're trying to please the fans at all except in minor nods. I know Optimus Prime does look a good bit like Optimus Prime, but come on, they really do need that if they hope to catch any of the nostalgia crowd.[/quote]

Some people are pleased with the designs. Some aren't. You can't win 'em all, and the people behind the movie aren't trying to. Oh well. People will either see it or they won't. That's their decision.

I'm personally waiting until I see the movie to decide whether or not I like it-- being a Bond fan, I was extremely skeptical about Casino Royale, almost to the point where I wasn't going to see it. But I did and I loved it, and I'm giving the Transformers movie the same chance.

[Kittie Rose]

If talking about the movie makes you uncomfortable, why did you bring it up?

It's not talking about it, it's when people get fanatical about it and won't let anyone who doesn't like it have an opinion without it being labeled as something demeaning.

Some people are pleased with the designs. Some aren't. You can't win 'em all,

But like you say, they're hardly even trying! Just because you can't win them all doesn't mean you can't try to win most of them. That's not an excuse. They should be trying because it's the fanbase that will buy the most merchandise, and see the movie again and again, making their "Numbers" seem much larger than some pessimists would have you believe.

I'm personally waiting until I see the movie to decide whether or not I like it-- being a Bond fan, I was extremely skeptical about Casino Royale, almost to the point where I wasn't going to see it. But I did and I loved it, and I'm giving the Transformers movie the same chance.

I'm going to see Transformers too, but you're kind of missing the point. Even if the movie turns out to be good, it won't be as good as it could have been.

Spider-man was a good movie, but the Green Goblin's helmet was STILL pretty horrid. It would have benefited if they had found a better middle ground between the comic goblin and the one they used. But at least you can understand why they saw that as necessary...

[Miss Special]

I don't think it's your opinion of it that's gotten this reaction so much as the way you've stated it. Referring to it as "the crappy Michael Bay movie" isn't exactly going to endear the movie's proponents or even those on the fence to your side.

[Kittie Rose]

That's still just an opinion though.

[Miss Special]

It is, but if you're going to say it like that, of course it's going to get a negative reaction by those who don't agree.

[Wazpynator]

The drama is really not needed. The 1st post was a bloody joke. It wasn't offensive. And it was viable on a BW board. As Megs does look like bloody Inferno.

Take the first post as such and move on with your lives.

That means everyone.

How a joke thread turned into a drama fest with bashing between "I like" and "I don't " like the movie individuals, and PC discussions is beyond me.

There is a old addage that applies here. If you've nothing nice to say. Don't say anything. This goes triple for a joke thread. If you don't find it amusing. Move along.

[Miss Special]

My patience is GONE.

LOCKED.