How many Transformers do you have? (annual survey)

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How many Transformers do you have?

Poll ended at Fri Dec 31, 2010 8:11 pm

100 or less
4
100%
200
0
No votes
300
0
No votes
400
0
No votes
500
0
No votes
600
0
No votes
700
0
No votes
800
0
No votes
900
0
No votes
1000 or more
0
No votes
 
Total votes: 4

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How many Transformers do you have? (annual survey)

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Image>>>Please read everything thoroughly before participating!<<<Image

HOW TO PARTICIPATE
1. Count your Transformers toys according to the rules of the Universal Counting Method (see below)
2. Round your count off to the nearest 100. (e.g. if you have 85 toys then it rounds up to "100", or if you have 538 toys then it rounds down to "500")
3. Click on the poll option accordingly (e.g. if you have 85 toys click on "100 or less," or if you have 538 toys click on "500")
4. If you have voted on "100 or less", then proceed to vote on the Less than 100 survey.
5. If you have voted on "1000 or more", then proceed to vote on the 1000+ survey.
6. This poll "closes" at the end of this month. Any results submitted after December 31, 2010 will not be collated for the 2010 data.

PLEASE REMEMBER:
* The Universal Counting Method (UCM) was created via a democratic process and does not represent any individual collector's opinion of how to count toys, but rather a majority consensus.
* The UCM exists for the purposes of collecting comparative data, such as this annual survey. Outside of this survey you can count your toys however you want.
* As always, participation in this annual survey project is voluntary. Nobody is being forced to do it, so if you don't like it then kindly walk away. Attempts to dispute the UCM is considered to be OFF TOPIC. You were all given an opportunity to debate and vote on the individual rules of the UCM and that window is now CLOSED. You may ask questions seeking clarity, but please do not dispute the validity of existing UCM rules. e.g. you don't think multiples should count? Well neither do I, but the fact is that the majority of voters elected for it to count - therefore they count. Whinging about it will achieve NOTHING (other than getting yourself reported to board staff for attempting to derail this thread)
* Polls close at the end of this month. Yes, it's not a lot of time and I do apologise (I normally do this around June/July but I am a tad late this year :P)

:) Thank you for your cooperation and participation! :)

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THE UNIVERSAL COUNTING METHOD

PREAMBLE

"How many Transformers do you have?"
"What's the size of an average Transformer collection?"

These are questions that we often hear as Transformer collectors.

The Universal Counting Method was created to allow fans to:
1. Participate in collection count surveys.
2. Provide a fair way to compare collection sizes.

The definition of what should and shouldn't count as a "Transformer" in one's collection count greatly varies between individuals collectors depending on individual opinions which makes it ineffectual for individuals to compare collection sizes or effectively participate in surveys if every collector has a different method of classifying and counting Transformers.

For example, imagine 2 Transformer collectors. They both own 2 G1 Seaspray toys in their collections. That's all. Transfan A decides that doubles count whereas Transfan B decides that they don't. Thus Transfan A considers himself as owning 2 Transformers whereas Transfan B considers herself as owning 1 Transformer. Despite the fact that both of these collectors own the exact same toys in the exact same quantities, Transfan A's collection count is 100% larger than Transfan B's simply because of discrepancies in their counting method. Now imagine this discrepancy on a larger scale when comparing collectors whose collection count would number in tens, hundreds or over a thousand and you can see that the disparity exponentially increases making collection size comparisons grossly unfair and rendering any data gathered from surveys about collection sizes useless.

Due to the arbitrary nature of Transformer classification, it is not possible to formulate a single system of counting that everyone would completely agree with.

As a result, during 2006 and 2007 a series of polls were conducted over numerous Transformer forums with collectors from various countries voting on what they considered to be the "correct" way of classifying and counting Transformer toys, and thus the Universal Counting Method was born based on the results of majority votes.

It is a counting method made by the people for the people. Is it the "best" counting method? There's no real way to answer that because we all have different opinions on what is the "best" or "correct" way of classifying and counting Transformers. But considering that each Article in the Universal Counting Method is based on majority votes, I believe that it is at least the fairest method of counting Transformers for the purposes of comparing collection sizes and participating in surveys.

The Universal Counting Method has not been officially endorsed by Hasbro Inc or TakaraTOMY Co., Ltd. It has been made by fans for fans. This system is not necessarily intended to replace everyone's personal preference for classification and counting - you can count your Transformers however you want to. But if you want to compare your collection count with others or participate in a collection count survey then you need to ensure that you and others are counting by the same method to make the comparison or results fair. The Universal Counting Method exists as a pre-made method that you can choose to use for such purposes.

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HOW TO COUNT YOUR TRANSFORMERS ACCORDING TO THE UNIVERSAL COUNTING METHOD

* ARTICLE 1: What Is A Transformer?
A Transformer is legally defined as any product created under licence from Hasbro Inc. and/or Takara(Tomy) Co., Ltd under the "Transformers(TM)" logo. As a result:
1/ Pre-Transformers do not count as Transformers. Although they may have been manufactured by Takara, they were NOT done so under the Transformers? logo.
2/ Knock-Offs/Bootlegs do not count as Transformers. They are not manufactured by Hasbro or Takara(Tomy) and they are certainly not released under licence from HasTak.
3/ Any other kind of non-Transformer transforming robot toy that's not really a Transformer does not count as a Transformer. This includes your Macross, Gobots (Machine Men), Machine Robo etc. - again, if the toy is not manufactured under HasTak licence under the "Transformers?" logo then it doesn't count. It's as easy as that.

* ARTICLE 02: Nebulans, Master Robots, Motorvator partners, Pretender/Crossformer/Dinoforce shells and Action Master partners and vehicles do not count separately. e.g.:
- Triggerhappy & Blowpipe = 1 Transformer
- Landmine & his Pretender shell = 1 Transformer
- Action Master Sideswipe and Vanguard = 1 Transformer -- in total these all count as 3 Transformers.
- For the purposes of this poll, Barricade's Frenzy will also not count as separate Transformers under this article's definition.

* ARTICLE 03: Micromasters and Mini-Cons count individually. e.g.:
- A complete Air Strike Patrol = 4 Transformers (Whisper, Tailwind, Stormcloud & Nightflight)
- A complete Mini-Con Air Defence Team = 3 Transformers (Sonar, Jetstorm & Runway)
- Hot Shot & Jolt = 2 Transformers
- Overload & Rollout = 2 Transformers -- in total these all count as 11 Transformers.

* ARTICLE 04: Only the component members of a Gestalt team count. e.g.:
- Devastator = 6 Transformers (6 Constructicons)
- Superion = 5 Transformers (5 Aerialbots) -- in total these all count as 11 Transformers.

* ARTICLE 05: Individual combiner robots count individually but multi-in-1 components do not. e.g.:
- A complete Constructor Squad = 6 Transformers
- Battletrap = 1 Transformer (not 2)
- Magmatron = 1 Transformer (not 3) -- in total these all count as 8 Transformers.

* ARTICLE 06: Bases do not count. e.g.:
- 1984 Optimus Prime = 1 Transformer (combat deck doesn't count separately)
- Airwave = 1 Transformer (his Micromaster Station doesn't count separately)
- BW Diver = 1 Transformer (Niagara Base doesn't count separately) -- in total these 3 Transformers are belong to us.

* ARTICLE 07: "Peripheral" Transformers, drones and pilots/drivers do not count. e.g.:
- Metroplex = 1 Transformer (Scamper, Six Gun and Slammer don't count)
- 1984 Optimus Prime = 1 Transformer (Roller doesn't count separately)
- Luke Skywalker/X-Wing Fighter = 1 Transformer (Luke Skywalker pilot doesn't count separately)
- BTA Alert = 1 Transformer (Kuruma Ai doesn't count separately) -- in total these are 4 Transformers.
- Blackout's Scorponok figurine will also not count as separate Transformers under this article's definition.

* ARTICLE 08: Decoys, Statues, busts, PVCs, meal/candy toys, kits etc. do not count. e.g.:
- Super Collection Figures don't count
- Mega Collection Figures don't count
- Mighty Muggs don't count
- Be@rbricks don't count

* ARTICLE 09: Variants count. e.g.:
- Red and yellow Cliffjumper = 2 Transformers.
- Original 1984, Classic reissue, Takara reissue, Ghost Starscream and TFC reissue Starscream = 5 Transformers -- in total 7 Transformers

* ARTICLE 10: Multiples count. e.g.:
- 2 Seasprays = 2 Transformers.

* ARTICLE 11: Only the transformable 15cm Titanium Series Transformers count.

* ARTICLE 12: Transformer Juniors and "non-mainline" Transformers count.
e.g. Choro-Q Transformers Revoltech Transformers, Transformers etc. count.

* ARTICLE 13: Microman Transformer humans count. e.g.: Kicker, Ga'Mede.

* ARTICLE 14: PlaySkool Transformers count.

* ARTICLE 15: Quintessons, Beastformers and Build-figures count. e.g.:
- Alpha Quintesson = 1 Transformer
- White Leo = 1 Transformer (NOTE: Battle Beasts do not count as Beastformers and thus do not count as Transformers)
- Transmutate = 1 Transformer -- in total 3 Transformers

* ARTICLE 16: Transformers Plushies count.

* ARTICLE 17: All transforming movie Transformers count (e.g.: Cyber Slammers, Fast Action Battlers) but non-transforming movie Transformers do not (e.g.: Robot Replicas, Beatmix Bumblebee).

* ARTICLE 18: Loose and sealed Transformers are counted in the same way.
e.g.: A Micromaster Combiner Squad counts as 6 Transformers regardless of being sealed or loose

* ARTICLE 19: Only Transformers in C-6 condition or above count
i.e.: junkers don't count but anything that's not a junker counts.
Most toys that you find on eBay etc are C-6. They are in reasonably fine to good condition and are mostly in tact. They are not missing any major parts and are not too heavily worn with no significant damage. Gimmicks are still operational. They may or may not come with accessories, depending on the nature of the toy. They should come with any major accessories - so a Headmaster or Targetmaster would only be considered C-6 if it has its Nebulan partner. In the case of a Maximus, it needs to have at least the "Cerebros" component, because it can still form the basic robot mode w/o "Spike."

* ARTICLE 20: Customs and kitbashes count. Remember that under ARTICLE01 only Transformers manufactured under licence from Hasbro and/or Takara(TOMY) and specifically marketed as part of the Transformers brand count, therefore only customs/kitbashes constructed entirely from legitimate TF products count.

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Results from previous years

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Starting from last year we had the "100 or less" and "1000 or more" parallel polls to get a more accurate idea of how many toys people in those two demographics had. Here are the results:

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Just want to clarify a few before I recount:
* ARTICLE 08: Decoys, Statues, busts, PVCs, meal/candy toys, kits etc. do not count. e.g.:
- Super Collection Figures don't count
- Mega Collection Figures don't count
- Mighty Muggs don't count
- Be@rbricks don't count
I take it this excludes all the Kabaya gum kits and McDonald's as well?
* ARTICLE 11: Only the transformable 15cm Titanium Series Transformers count.
So my OOP counts, but my classic OP doesn't? o.0 *goes to play with her titaniums* Oooh, wait, I think I see why; classic moves but doesn't transform - OOP can actually transform. I get it. Kinda lame, but I get it lol
* ARTICLE 19: Only Transformers in C-6 condition or above count
Forgive my noob moment, but I'm not an actual collector. "C-6" is defined as...? For example, I picked up an Optimal Optimus a few years ago second-hand, but when I cracked open his battery compartment, it was severely corroded by battery acid. I assume the rest of his electronics would be fine if I were to replace the battery compartment pieces, but the original connections inside the compartment are too rusted out to work; other than that, he still has all his pieces and transforms fine. What condition would he be rated as? I am also sad that this would exclude my classic Primal, as he is missing his chestplate :'(
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Nurann wrote:Just want to clarify a few before I recount:
* ARTICLE 08: Decoys, Statues, busts, PVCs, meal/candy toys, kits etc. do not count. e.g.:
- Super Collection Figures don't count
- Mega Collection Figures don't count
- Mighty Muggs don't count
- Be@rbricks don't count
I take it this excludes all the Kabaya gum kits and McDonald's as well?
Kabaya gum kits and Maccas Happy Meal toys don't count.
Nurann wrote:
* ARTICLE 11: Only the transformable 15cm Titanium Series Transformers count.
So my OOP counts, but my classic OP doesn't? o.0 *goes to play with her titaniums* Oooh, wait, I think I see why; classic moves but doesn't transform - OOP can actually transform. I get it. Kinda lame, but I get it lol
What do you mean by "Classic OP"? (cos I'm thinking of "Classic Optimus Prime," which would be the 1990 reissue of the original 1984 G1 Optimus Prime - which would count).
As far as the Titanium Series are concerned, the transforming 15cm figures count, but the small unarticulated (and non-transformable) 7.6cm figures don't count.
e.g.: Titanium Series Predaking doesn't count, but Titanium Series The Fallen does count.
Nurann wrote:
* ARTICLE 19: Only Transformers in C-6 condition or above count
Forgive my noob moment, but I'm not an actual collector. "C-6" is defined as...? For example, I picked up an Optimal Optimus a few years ago second-hand, but when I cracked open his battery compartment, it was severely corroded by battery acid. I assume the rest of his electronics would be fine if I were to replace the battery compartment pieces, but the original connections inside the compartment are too rusted out to work; other than that, he still has all his pieces and transforms fine. What condition would he be rated as? I am also sad that this would exclude my classic Primal, as he is missing his chestplate :'(
The "C" system of grading toys is actually highly subjective anyway, so don't worry too much about what exactly falls under C-6. The general rule is that anything below C-6 is considered a "junker." So basically, if you don't consider the toy to be a junker, then it counts. :) I would personally count your Optimal Optimus... it's obviously not in the greatest of condition, but I wouldn't call it a junker either. My Aquablast on the other hand is missing its head and the bonnet/chest is detached. I consider it a junker thus I don't count it.
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Primary Survey Results
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Top 3
60% of respondents have 100 Transformers or less (27% increase from 2009)
10% of respondents have 1000 Transformers or more (10% decrease)
9% of respondents have 200 Transformers (22% decrease)
Majority of respondents have 100 or less, which is the same as previous years.

Survey results for collectors with 100 or less Transformers
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Top 3 (w/ equal 3rd)
37% of respondents have less than 5 Transformers (27% increase)
18% of respondents have 40 Transformers (7% increase)
17% of respondents have 30 Transformers (5% increase)
17% of respondents have 90 Transformers (7% increase)
Majority of respondents have less than 5 Transformers, whereas in 2009 the majority had 70.

Survey results for collectors with over 1000 Transformers
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50% of respondents have 1000 Transformers (14% increase)
40% of respondents have 1500 Transformers (4% increase)
5% of respondents have 2000 Transformers (2% decrease)
5% of respondents have 2500 Transformers (2% decrease)
In 2009 an equal number of respondents had 1000 and 1500 Transformers (36% each). In 2010 the number of respondents with 1000 Transformers has slightly overtaken the number of those with 1500, although both are the dominant majorities.

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Massive thanks to everyone who participated in 2010's polls. :)
Image Transformers Collection Count: 1458 (UCM)
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