Transformers: Dark of the Moon *spoilers*

[Night-Hunter]

Curse my tiny bladder, I missed it!

[una]

I saw the movie yesterday but I hope for the DVD soon because I missed alot of things you guys pointed out.

But I have to say that I did enjoy the movie despite the flaws especially Sam's whining. That seemed to drag on forever(to me it did and mom thought so too). I was hoping for Carly(I love Carly's character. ) to slap him or they cut back to the robots. Literally, I was saying in my mind, "Please go back to Optimus." *sees Optimus* Me: YAY.

And Ironhide... I didn't expect Sentinel to betray. I was shocked. Good plot twist. Love plot twists XD Love them!

My mom and bro were like: I KNEW IT!!!

The ending? Way too short! No memorials? Come on! No apologizes from the government to the Autobots? Nothing at all? Screw you guys! XDDDDD

Also, I wish that Optimus and Sentinel's battle ended better.

It should have ended like this in my opinion:

Optimus Prime: *aims the weapon, contemplating but then lowers it* You didn't betray me.*throws the weapon down and destroys it* You betrayed yourself. *walks towards the surviving Autobots and humans, slowly*

Or

Optimus Prime: *aims the weapon, contemplating but then lowers it* You didn't betray me. *Sentinel looks up at him, defeated but relieved that Optimus hasn't pulled the trigger* You betrayed yourself. *Sentinel's relief turns into fear as Optimus rises his weapon and bangs it aginst him, knocking him out* From this moment on, Sentinel, your life is a gift from me. The only one you will get again as you will face the consequences of your actions against your own. *crushes the weapon and walks away*

That's just me but other than that, It's all good. XD

Oh! Forgot to mention Cullen's performance! BRILLANT AS ALWAYS!! Optimus really got emotional in this movie. Dang! I wouldn't blame him though. *hugs Optimus*

Okay, I'm done! XD

[Darth Knuckles]

Beastbot wrote: They weren't a secret, people knew about them. Also, Optimus never used the Matrix to destroy the harvester, the Matrix was supposed to power the harvester but was instead used to resurrect Optimus. I think you're mixing up some details there.

I think Wicked Woman is talking about the ending of Revenge of the Fallen. After Optimus is upgraded with Jetfire’s parts, he flies up and destroys the sun harvester. Just previously, it was shown that The Fallen had placed the Matrix in the sun harvester. So when Optimus destroyed it, I thought like Wicked Woman that the blast had destroyed the Matrix of Leadership.

Night-Hunter wrote: I also have a problem with Megs but I'll forgive him, seeing how he had half brain blown away in the second movie. He also needs bug spray for his head, hey am I the only one who noticed the creppy doctor from the second, he was working on Megs head during the Africa scene.

Yeah I noticed The Doctor too and mentioned that in my review of the movie.

I have a serious question though about the movie. Why did the Decepticons, or at least Sentinel Prime, want the humans alive so they could rebuild Cybertron for them? Does that make any sense to anyone? I'd really appreciate an answer to that. Because to me, if the cube/allspark was destroyed and that was the only way to rebuild Cybertron and no Autobot or Decepticon could rebuild it, what do they think humans will do to rebuild it? Cybertron is made up of a whole different technological substance right? I didn't understand any of that plan. Especially when Sentinel Prime is saying that and then the other Decepticons are going around killing almost all of the humans they see. I mean that's why Optimus and the Autobots are staying on Earth right? Can anyone help me out on that?

The ending was also very quick. Even quicker than Revenge of the Fallen. Just Boom. Over. ILM did a great job again though. I'm going to see it again tomorrow and I hope I like it a little better than the first time. I'm trying to like it but if I don't this time, I won't ever. Fingers crossed.

[Alak]

That's a good question (regarding the use of humans) and I'll try my best to answer it:

The human race is just being used as a workhorse. They are simply given the supplies and are told by Decepticon overseers how to build whatever it is that they are building. The whole concept can be found in Earth's own history. Genghis Kahn, Alexander, Qin Shi Huang, the Moors, etc. are all known to be conquerors. They didn't simply enter a foreign nation and ask them to build monuments and serve them. This would only result in the foreigners saying no and going about their business. Typically, invaders would initiate the first strike in order to build momentum as well as instill a sense of fear over their victims. In DOTM, we see this when the Decepticons invade Chicago and kill off civilians. They weren't practicing xenocide, they were simply instilling fear. All forms of slavery in the past have utilized this technique because without fear, a slave would only rebel. Humans have the technology to fight back and the Decepticons know this, so it was their intentions to pound them into submission which would deter them from using said technology.

Looking at monuments such as the pyramids of Egypt, castles of Europe, and the Great Wall of China, we know that rulers used slaves to build them all. There was no such thing as hired construction workers at the time, and slaves were free labor that were picked up as spoils of war. Furthermore, said slave had no idea how to build these constructs so it was up to the slave masters to tell them how to do it. DOTM showed us the invasion, and if it weren't for the Autobots interference, the Decepticons would have succeeded in taking Chicago and spreading to other major cities around the world via space bridge. Overlooking the major plot hole of Cybertron's presence killing off a huge chunk of the world's population, the Decepticons would have conquered Earth through the traditional means of invasion and colonization. Yes, humans would have died but with over 6 billion people in the world I highly doubt the Decepticons are significantly hurting their work force. Like I said before, Decepticons will act as overseers, masters, and architects. Humans would only do the grunt work. Intelligence and familiarity of environment/materials is not required. If a person doesn't know how to operate whatever needs to be operated, then that person will be killed without hesitation.

In fact, most of Earth's population might die from the construction efforts alone. Like the Great Wall, I wouldn't doubt that Decepticons would simply build things on top of the bodies. As for materials and resources, one alternative for the lack of the Cube would be to utilize Earth's own resources. Not every metal on Cybertron is unknown to Earth (otherwise how else would Autobots get repaired between missions?) and Decepticons could always add new elements to their reformatted planet.

[Darth Knuckles]

Alak wrote: Intelligence and familiarity of environment/materials is not required. If a person doesn't know how to operate whatever needs to be operated, then that person will be killed without hesitation.

I understand all of what you're saying Alak but I'm asking: What environment/materials would the humans be using to rebuild it? It seemed to me in the first movie, they stressed that without the allspark, Cybertron was history. So what materials would the humans be using to rebuild Cybertron? And wouldn't a faction of either the Decepticons or the Autobots go back to Cybertron to try and rebuild the planet themselves? The way I'm thinking, all of the humans would die eventually because there's not the right materials to rebuild it.

In fact, most of Earth's population might die from the construction efforts alone. Like the Great Wall, I wouldn't doubt that Decepticons would simply build things on top of the bodies. As for materials and resources, one alternative for the lack of the Cube would be to utilize Earth's own resources. Not every metal on Cybertron is unknown to Earth (otherwise how else would Autobots get repaired between missions?) and Decepticons could always add new elements to their reformatted planet.

The point you make about Autobots being repaired is a good one because I don't know how they get repaired. In the movies they never explain that at all. I mean in Revenge of the Fallen Starscream has his arm ripped off from the forest battle and the next time we see him fight in Egypt his arm is fine. So I have no idea how they repair themselves.

[Alak]

I'm not sure which Cybertron Michael Bay is going off of, but from what we've seen it looks to be completely metal. I'm guessing that Earth would be mined of its iron, titanium, and other metal elements so that they'd patch up the holes with what's left of the planet. It certainly won't look the same, but a metal planet is a metal planet. Considering the size comparison, I'd say the Earth will literally fall apart in order to fix up Cybertron.

As for repairs, I think it's best we just call it a plot hole so that our minds aren't destroyed by trying to come up with explanations. We just know that they're able to, which sequesters to the assumption that Earth does have some of the resources found on Cybertron.

[Beastbot]

I think Wicked Woman is talking about the ending of Revenge of the Fallen. After Optimus is upgraded with Jetfire’s parts, he flies up and destroys the sun harvester. Just previously, it was shown that The Fallen had placed the Matrix in the sun harvester. So when Optimus destroyed it, I thought like Wicked Woman that the blast had destroyed the Matrix of Leadership.

Oh right, I forgot about that little bit. Well, I guess it can be safely assumed the Matrix is all but indestructible, since it is in G1 continuity.

I'm not sure which Cybertron Michael Bay is going off of, but from what we've seen it looks to be completely metal.

I'm pretty sure it's a new design. It looks like the whole planet's made of layers of beehive-like hexes.

[Darth Knuckles]

Thanks a lot Alak and Beastbot! I'm really just trying to understand some of the things in Dark of the Moon that I was just like "What?" when I saw it. Yeah apparently that matrix is indestructible. The repairs I used to think, given an appropriate time, would just heal themselves in these movies. Especially based on time issues and other factors but apparently that theory goes out the door in Dark of the Moon because of Megatron's head! Like I said, I'm going to give the movie another shot today, technically, so I will try my hardest to like it this time around.

[Alak]

heh... let's just agree that this trilogy has more than its fair share of plot holes and silliness.

[Darth Knuckles]

Totally agreed!

[Beastbot]

heh... let's just agree that this trilogy has more than its fair share of plot holes and silliness.

True, though from what I've heard reading the novelizations help fill in some of them. (For example, Sentinel Prime kills Mudflap and Skids along with Ironhide, instead of the Twins just disappearing as they did in the movie.)

[Beastbot]

Dark of the Moon has set a box office record-- it is the fastest movie EVER to reach $500 million (in only 8 days). And it's well on track to reaching $1 billion before its run in theaters ends, which would make it only the 9th movie to do so.

http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-new ... de-172810/

[una]

Wow, that's a lot



Since this topic is about Dark of the Moon, I like to ask you guys what you all thought of the trilogy overall? What did you think of the robots characterization (despite how little there was) like Optimus Prime? Many people are mixed on whether he is too violent and unlike the hero in G1 or the others believe that this Prime is the same except more realistic. What did you guys think?

[Alak]

It brought a revival to the Transformers franchise so that's good. We probably wouldn't have Animated or Prime without the Bayformers. I enjoyed the first movie because I didn't believe TF could go live-action and I was impressed. I had high hopes for the second movie and found myself sorely disappointed. I had low hopes for the third and found myself enjoying it. Overall, I'd say it's average but I'm grateful for its existence. Once the reboot comes in (which it will someday), we might have a similar origin story like "Batman Begins" that will blow us all away.

Bumblebee sort of remained the same throughout the trilogy. Voiceless to begin with and voiceless to end the series with the exact same personality. Optimus was true to character in the first movie, but he was kind of disappointing in battle against Megatron. As the series progressed, he became more of a legitimate offensive threat but he became a little too dark. Sideswipe got more screen time in the third movie so that's a plus. Megatron and Starscream became severely pansified. Megatron could take down Optimus with no problem in the first. They were sort of evened out in the second. He didn't even last more than 10 seconds in the third. I can't say much about any other character because they weren't explored in the movies (comics, yes, but I won't go there). Wheelie had more growth than Ironhide.

[una]

I was very critical of the Bay movies. I loved the first one though but really was mad at the second one despite a couple of good fight scenes. Even with the third one, it seemed more of Sam and friends then Transformers. I really distaste Sam's character(Loved him in the first one but in second and third one...he was really becoming whiny to me. Moreso in the third one which surprised me since two ended with him taking responsiblity.) How many of you felt bad for the Autobots? It seemed like in the movies no one really cared for them besides Sam, love interest, Simmons, Lennox and Epps. The other humans? They were like "Get off our planet!" despite how much they did. (Okay, I think that was intentional in the movies.) Ah! Decepticons were portrayal really got weaker. Megatron posed a threat in the first one but in the others, not so much which was a darn shame. The other Decepticons get fewer lines or no lines at all. Shockwave...man, dude got pushed aside by Sentinel. I know that it was intentional but still, he should have been a threat.


Despite my criticisms of the movies, I have come to realize that the movies bought another continuity to the Transformers lore. Bay can make good action scenes when there is no shaky cam involved and I have to appreciate how very little CGI he created. The transformers were very life-like and it didn't bother me the slightest when they gave Prime a mouth (I always did think he had one in the cartoon but he never showed it to keep his emotions hidden. IMO XD) Optimus Prime showed alot of emotion in these flims and you felt that Optimus really cared for the humans despite how badly the humans treated. Bumblebee was cute. XD As you have mentioned, it bought the Transformers to the attention of the general audiences and it seems they love by the money the movies made.


So I appreciate the movies but I hope the next director goes deeper in the mythlogy. It is possible! XDD and no more Sam. XD