The Intergalactic Highway

Um... I'm lost.

That was the first reason I didn't talk about this yesterday. The second reason is that NaitoKage brought up wisely that we should avoid arguments here, and I thought maybe this had resolved itself. But if Phoenix wants to leave the game now, I suppose the argument has already come to as bad of a point as it's going to, short of a flame war or something like that, which seems almost impossible.

So I figure I may as well try to understand this now rather than let it fester.

So, like... NK said in another thread that Glowstick might be able to reach 500 mph in robot mode. And Phoenix seems to be saying she never intended for her character to even reach that in robot mode. But then NK also said in this thread that it seemed logical to just go with "swimming" speed for hovering speed, which, according to his presented scales, means Glowstick would hover/fly at a speed of 75 mph. But then Phoenix is insisting that Glowstick is still being purported to be able to go 500 mph. And I can't tell if NaitoKage is affirming or denying that.

And then,

NaitoKage wrote:Nemesis is in fact faster then Glowstick in robot mode

and yet...

NaitoKage wrote:...you didn't want to put some form of propulsion on Nemesis other then flapping her wings in robot mode.

But if she only flaps her wings in robot mode, why would she be faster in beast mode? And if she was faster flapping her wings in robot mode, it could only be a little faster. And I think I just missed it entirely, but where or in what private conversation did Phoenix say she wanted Nemesis' robot mode flight to only be bird-wing-propelled?

And was Airazor ever shown to have rocket packs in the show? Because she seems to fly fine in robot mode with no obvious means of propulsion.

And then Terrorsaur, while supercharged and in robot mode, still flies slow enough for Cheetor spy on him. But Glowstick's bio says "Glowstick's flight mode isn't as fast as other flight modes, though agile as it's propelled by a directional duct fan." So, yeah, the 500 mph thing doesn't make sense to me either, but I'm not still sure if that's still being said or not.

So I am absolutely lost. Obviously something's wrong- wrong enough for you to want to quit Phoenix. So what is the problem here? I can't really tell who's thinking what anymore.

So Phoenix, if you're still here to talk about this stuff, and if only because I'd hate to see you go while my head's still spinning and wishing I could do something about something I don't understand, could you and NaitoKage both just say in one post what you think your characters' speeds ought to be in robot mode and in beast mode, definitively explain how they're flying that fast, and then explain why you think those speeds are in accordance with the speed stats you've given them?

Or is this all a lot clearer than I've made it out to be?

On one final note about this matter, and with all due respect- because of how confusing I think this has gotten, I think it's unfair to call NaitoKage self-righteous. I don't know him personally, and I suppose since we all have our faults it is technically possible that he's self-righteous just as it's technically possible that Garry Chalk has a serious struggle with emotional engagement or that Scott McNeil has delusions of grandeur, but I'm not seeing it. At least right now. If either of you wish to respectfully show me I'm wrong though...

I just think that NaitoKage is, by nature of having an opinion, continuing to see the issue his way because he has not been persuaded otherwise.

By the way Una, I think almost all of us have done some of the stuff I was talking about on this role play- myself included. (Sonar tried to blow up his ship secretly, and Steelclaw knew he did it just by watching it all happen. Conceivable? I suppose, given Steelclaw's intelligence background. A little too convenient? Eh... yeah.)

And I brought those complaints up because of the times they can become a problem for the story, yes, but I also brought them up because they, at times, render the way we've designed our characters irrelevant.

But it isn't all bad either. Really, it'd be equally terrible if our characters never could guess what was on others' mind, and if our characters could never dodge or survive.

I actually wouldn't mind if everyone stopped telling other characters that they've been wrecked. But I guess at times it's necessary for the speed of the role play.

Post edited since the time you two have started to look at it, by the way...

Geez, Blaze, you're making me feel bad now. Not for NK, mind you, but due to the fact I have truly had fun in this game and I had planned to continue.

The main issue hasn't exactly been the speed stat disagreement, but rather an underlying ongoing discussion between NK and myself that has accumulated to this point over the past few months. In short I've felt like he's been condescending towards me in private for some time now when he had no problem with doing the exact things he kept putting me down for himself. After a while it started hurting, honestly, because this was an individual I have considered a friend for the past 11 years or more, yet he would not stop putting me down on matters he knew I was passionate about.

It's like his personality switched from Dr. Jeckyl to Mr. Hyde...

Everyone has their breaking point, especially when you're in a vulnerable position rl. But when the game you so enjoyed stops being fun due to someone's constant snide remarks and inconsiderate treatment, most would probably feel it's time to move on..

The conversation was held on msn, we've known each other for a rather long time. In any case I apologize for this even being brought into here.

Uh.. I think Airazor did have a rocket pack, but I'm not entirely sure on that. I think the only ones that used winged propulsion were Silverbolt and Waspinator. And Transmutate used... some sort of crystal. 0_o

As for Una. I really don't think there's THAT much of a problem for the empathy/spiritual background for Whitegrazer. Transformers has had that, specificly with the martial arts. Metallikato was described to do some crazy things, Circuit-su originally allowed a user force lightning like abilities by channeling their energys through their spark and projecting it outwardly towards a victim. Plus.. well, lets face it. Rhinox haxed the undead to pull a spark back and bring Optimus Primal to life. I call that mystical to say the least. Or.. Ghostbusters level science.


As for if I'm self-righteous or not, I'm not really the person to say. if I can't see her way, it's not like it hasn't happened before. We usually argue about things, but clearly it's gone too far, and I'm tired of battling a pointless war that should have never come this far.

Okay, let's try this for the fifth time.

NAME: Warspark
ALLEGIANCE: Predacon
FUNCTION: Mercanery, Interrogator
ALTERNATE MODE: Transmetal African Wild Dog Vehicle: Jets (It's like Cheetor's except it's a dog. Predacons will have two flying dogs XD until Silverbolt turns. )
HEIGHT: 8"3'
QUOTE: "I am a dog of war."

STRENGTH: 8
INTELLIGENCE: 7
SPEED: 7
ENDURANCE: 8
RANK: Assigned by the staff.
COURAGE: 6
FIREPOWER: 7
SKILL: 7

BIO: Warspark was a very powerful commander in the Maximal Army, but because of many betrayals from the High Council, he switched sides along with many of his unit except for one, which Warspark took care of personally. Because of his experience in dealing with Maximal procedures, he shared everything about his former alliegances, which caused many Maximals to die or fail in their missions. Destructive and mericliess, Warspark leaves nothing standing in the battlefield.

PERSONALITY: Warspark is a soldier, ruthless and single-minded towards the job at hand. He will sacifice anyone, anything to accomplish his mission. Because of his love of the military, he will yell at Predacons to fall in line, make sure everything is tidy, clean, and keep things going like a well-oiled machine. He isn't social as he like to keep to himself when not on duty, but he will occasionally play cards or help out around the Darksyde to make sure everything is functioning. He is a workalcohlic first and foremost. He needs to keep busy or he will be bored to the point where he can't relax or recharge. It's also because if he can't do anything, his past and life rush back to him.

WEAPONS:

Red Lasercore Gun
A gun with a red laser core that carries unlimited ammo but the core loses its energy bit by bit from each use.

Heavy Rocket Launcher
A launcher that carries three rockets due to its power.

Combat Knife
An Energon blade shaped like knife used for close quarters combat

Wrist Laser Pistols
His wrist have intregated pistols that shoot lasers in the same speed as a submachine gun, but because of this, their damage is very small.

WEAKNESSES: Despite everything he is, Warspark is exactly a tormented soul. Tormented by the memories of his experiences as a soldier. Deaths of many of his comrades and enemies he has sacificed or killed over the years keep him up at night. He can get irritated or be enraged. No one would want to see him angry. His anger is like a cannon coming at someone in full force. He is dangerous especially when his nightmares come to him.

SAMPLE POST:

He was tired of it, tired of it all. All the lies, deceptions, and killings were supposed to be for the greater good?

Slag that.

There was no good in this universe. All there was is the inevitable war starting to brew between Maximals and Predacons.
What then?

He was protecting the Pax Cybertronia and sacificing his comrades for the Council of Elders to remain in power. Is that what he was protecting? Politicans and their seats in office so they can keep using him? The Maximal insignia glew like a demon in the night. He was tainted, dirty. If the war ended today, what would he have? So many years he trained for battle. He knew nothing else. Cybertron and his fellow Maximals would scorn him as Cybertron is a paradise and he was nothing but damaged goods.

He thought about it long and hard over the last stellarcycles. At first, he cursed him for having such thoughts, but why not do it? He had nothing to lose. The Maximal insignia tattooed on his arm stared at him. The knife in his other hand moved towards it. Slowly, he drew a X over it.then started scraping and scarping it. Rage filled his optics. Mechfluid dripped from his arm.

The pain felt good.

Standing up, he hit the commlink, "All soldiers report to the hangar."

He wasn't the only one who felt frustrated. It's time to make their own choices. Time to be individuals. It's time for them to realize reality.

Cybertron was the hell, and war was their heaven.

Fighting for a peace where they will be nothing but dead weight. No, they will not fight for peace. They will fight because that's what they are.

And it seemed the only side for them...

...was the side of their former enemies.

He was no longer a Maximal, no one was. From here on out, he will be a Predacon and anyone who disagrees will meet a rocket to the face.

After all, it was the only thing he knew.

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Worked on the bio all day, trying to write a Predacon who I can do a good character build in the RP. Please tell my mind not to change again. If it does, I will bluntly ignore it. XDD

If there is anything I need to add or fix, I will gladly revise.

Um, I know I'm not a staff member or any person of authority, but there's two things I just want to give feedback on.

1) His intelligence seems a bit low for a commander.

2) I thought the weapon limit was 4... or has that changed?

Oh I will limit the weapons. I don't think it was changed. Sorry, I went overboard I guess.

I could only add one more point to intelligence because the stats equal 50 and that's the limit for Transmetals. Is that right?

I am not one who can easily follow all of this technical mumbo-jumbo, especially after falling behind as far as I have, so I'm also pretty much lost at this point and what this topic has turned into. Although, Blazemane did a good job summarizing it up as to how I also got confused. I understand why some people care about having such statistics and technicalities portrayed on their characters' stats and in the game, but let's remember that this is just a GAME. It doesn't have to be so involved down to every little detail. Some of you don't even write very detailed posts, but we still manage to get by.

I actually wouldn't mind if everyone stopped telling other characters that they've been wrecked. But I guess at times it's necessary for the speed of the role play.

I don't see that's it ever necessary. If you don't want your character scrapped by someone else who says they scrapped your character without you being able to react, then ignore that part of their character's action and counter it. You should have control over what happens to your character, not another player. That's called god-modding, and it's prohibited in this game. I am not always around to catch it right away and say something (full-time job often gets in the way of this) before everyone moves on anyway. When I post, I always try to suggest what my character's intentions are if they're attacking someone so my opponent's player knows what I'm attempting to do and they can either agree and accept it or disagree and counter it. But never do I just have my character do it without giving the other player a chance to react. It's not fair to them.

The main issue hasn't exactly been the speed stat disagreement, but rather an underlying ongoing discussion between NK and myself that has accumulated to this point over the past few months. In short I've felt like he's been condescending towards me in private for some time now when he had no problem with doing the exact things he kept putting me down for himself. After a while it started hurting, honestly, because this was an individual I have considered a friend for the past 11 years or more, yet he would not stop putting me down on matters he knew I was passionate about.

The conversation was held on msn, we've known each other for a rather long time. In any case I apologize for this even being brought into here. As for if I'm self-righteous or not, I'm not really the person to say. if I can't see her way, it's not like it hasn't happened before. We usually argue about things, but clearly it's gone too far, and I'm tired of battling a pointless war that should have never come this far.

Although this sounds like a personal dilemma between Phoenix and NK, may I remind everyone that there is NOT to be any heckling, demeaning, condemning, bullying, or harassing between players, whether IC or OOC, about their characters or themselves. Unfortunately, if this has been going on beyond the BW Int message board, I don't feel that I have much authority over it. Phoenix, if you and NK want to discuss this together with me over MSN, please let me know and I'll hop on when the three of us can have a chat at the same time. These things should be discussed in a positive manner, and if things escalate, then walk away from each other (so to speak) and contact a Moderator about it if you feel inclined, and we'll try to help smooth things over and listen to both parties. Discussions like this shouldn't get out of control. We're all adults here.

Speed score: Rolling Swimming Flying
1 25 mph 10 mph 150 mph
2 40 mph 25 mph 300 mph
3 60 mph 40 mph 500 mph
4 75 mph 60 mph M1/600 mph
5 90 mph 75 mph M2/1320 mph
6 100 mph 90 mph M3/1980 mph
7 120 mph 100 mph M4/2460 mph
8 150 mph 120 mph +M5/3300 mph
9 200 mph 150 mph M6/3960 mph
10 250 mph 200 mph M7/4620 mph

That chart actually makes sense to me. Bodda-bing, bodda-boom.

2) 3 10s is a little much and often leaves a character rather imbalanced. But if people want to do that,that's fine as long as OOP doesn't have a issue with it.

Pffff. Optimus has four 10's (according to Alak's stats), so trip over that for a while. And Megatron has five 10's. But they're both commanding officers, and I would agree that Megatron has a lot more advantages over Optimus in this war simply because Optimus is so inexperienced and Megatron has the ambition and motivation. So I guess that would kind of depend on the individual character when it comes to having three 10's. I don't know this end of the stats and whatnot very well.

Those are the same answers you received before. I'm done arguing, If you have complaints or plans, run them to OOP. If she says no, then that's it. If she says yes, then that's it. Nobody will complain with her word, she's the DM/GM/Boss Monkey.

So, if I told everyone to slip on a banana suit and start dancing and singing, "It's peanut butter jelly time! Peanut butter jelly time! Peanut butter jelly! Peanut butter jelly! Peanut butter jelly with a baseball bat!" you guys would HAVE to do it? Yes, even those allergic to peanuts. Kidding.

But it's no different then when Optimal Optimus Primal came into the beast wars. With many of the players being around Terrorsaur's height, the only reasonable way to fight something like that is well.. like Solid Snake fighting a Metal gear.

Yes, well, that was the Predacons' problem, wasn't it? Not the Maximals'. If the Preds were nicer, they wouldn't have to fight Optimal Optimus at all. He's a gentle giant. ...Until you attack him.

Well, it's getting late, and that's all the brain power I have for today so I'm wrapping this up. I apologize that I didn't get to everything here. I hate it when I fall behind and get lost. Sleepy time!

Optimal Optimus Primal wrote:Although this sounds like a personal dilemma between Phoenix and NK, may I remind everyone that there is NOT to be any heckling, demeaning, condemning, bullying, or harassing between players, whether IC or OOC, about their characters or themselves. Unfortunately, if this has been going on beyond the BW Int message board, I don't feel that I have much authority over it. Phoenix, if you and NK want to discuss this together with me over MSN, please let me know and I'll hop on when the three of us can have a chat at the same time. These things should be discussed in a positive manner, and if things escalate, then walk away from each other (so to speak) and contact a Moderator about it if you feel inclined, and we'll try to help smooth things over and listen to both parties. Discussions like this shouldn't get out of control. We're all adults here.

Ah, no. That wont be required. We haven't really been talking lately, and to be honest I've pondered leaving lately. Seems like as good of a time as any.

Now then! Profile time!

Alak wrote:Um, I know I'm not a staff member or any person of authority, but there's two things I just want to give feedback on.

1) His intelligence seems a bit low for a commander.

2) I thought the weapon limit was 4... or has that changed?

Technically Alak, you have as much authority as I do. I think the intelligence is fine, specially as a predacon commander, as we've seen in the past with Scorponok and Inferno they didn't need to be too bright, so a 7 is pretty good in this case.

Normally the weapon limit is like that. Considering Warspark has a strength of 8, and no special ability, I'd say it's the same as Steelclaw carrying more weapons then most people in season 1, or at the least is strong enough to carry around that much weight in weapons. I see no problem with it.

If anything, the only problems I see is.. You didn't list a transmetal feature Una! Wheels, hoverparts, jets, wings, blades, guns.. SOMETHING! Please stop forgetting these features people!

Secondly:

una wrote:Red Lasercore Gun
A gun with a red laser core that carries unlimited ammo but the core loses its energy bit by bit from each use.

Now, by G1 terms.. a Lasercore is a spark.But it sounds like you use it as some form of reactor for a laser rifle that recharges.. I guess this could be defined as Warspark's special ability, but it's kind of a creepy one using his soul or someone elses as gun ammo.

una wrote:HEIGHT: 6"3'

Make him taller for the love of Primus >_<, we have too many tiny predacons and this guy used to be a Maximal commander, he should be the size of Optimus Primal,Whitegrazer, or Icebreaker, specially with carrying all those weapons. You don't need to be completely animal size accurate.

Other then all that, Rank 7. Welcome aboard to the Predacons, Commander.

Now, by G1 terms.. a Lasercore is a spark.But it sounds like you use it as some form of reactor for a laser rifle that recharges.. I guess this could be defined as Warspark's special ability, but it's kind of a creepy one using his soul or someone elses as gun ammo.

You are right. That is creepy. Hmmm it could be someone else's.

If anything, the only problems I see is.. You didn't list a transmetal feature Una! Wheels, hoverparts, jets, wings, blades, guns.. SOMETHING! Please stop forgetting these features people!

Oh I have that already, just forgot to list it on accident. It was bedtime for me and when I knew it, I realized I forgot to add that detail. XD

Make him taller for the love of Primus >_<, we have too many tiny predacons and this guy used to be a Maximal commander, he should be the size of Optimus Primal,Whitegrazer, or Icebreaker, specially with carrying all those weapons. You don't need to be completely animal size accurate.

Other then all that, Rank 7. Welcome aboard to the Predacons, Commander.

Well, I was just being safe. Usually, the smaller the person, the bigger the attitude. But, I will fix that if you so insist.

Naitokage wrote:I've pondered leaving lately.

YOU'RE LEAVING THE FORUM?! NUUUUUU!!!! DON'T. DON'T YOU EVER LEAVE THIS PLACE! I MEAN IT! Starshadow is not done with you and your evilness!

Take my words seriously...Don't leave...You're one of my best buddies who keeps me company in the forum!

BACK TO THE BIO THANG! Oh wow...Interrogator..so it's a cop. Primus has a sense of humor! I hope he doesn't have hand cuffs. >_< I don't knoe if Star would either be hiding from him or calling him a mongrel puppy...

I hope that really no one leaves the RPG. I love RPing with both of you, NK and Phoenix. I would miss you guys terribly because you both contribute interesting things in the RP and the fact that this has been going on.

Do we need an intervention? (is that the right word? Probably not. )

If you guys do leave, I will be sad but at least try to leave on good terms.

Trust me, I left my first RP on bad terms and it leaves a bitter taste in your mouth. After many months, I came back and the person who I never got along with realized how stupid we were acting and now, we are in good terms and apologized for all the yelling and fights towards each other and the others on the RP.

I still visit that RP to see if it is still going well and it is and me and that person are getting along just fine.

Please, try to stay on the RP if you both can. IF you can't, at least try to straighten things other and be on good terms, especially since you guys have been friends for awhile. You both deserve that chance.

That's all I have to say on this matter.

This could've been avoided if there was a sassy g@y RPer.... Just kidding! (got that idea from Sassy Gay Friend vids)

Anyways, I partially agree with Una. DON'T. LEAVE. I absolutely love RPing with you guys but if one of you leave just over an arguement of an RP, I will be SAD LIKE SLAG!

Just forget about this drama and move on. Just pwease pwease Pwease PULEEEAAAAZZZEEE do not quit this forum or RP.

*inserts PPG Bubbles' voice* I really hate seeing one of my best buddies to leave.

After all the hours I put into preparing the List of RPG Roles topic for Season 2, nobody better be quitting on this game. If you want to leave, do it in Season 3 before all the new bios are up!

((Pfftt...I keep thinking about replacing Cece as I am bored with her...but she's too cute to be killed. I might think of sending her away by a ship made out of stasis pod parts and bring the new OC in as the replacement. Gahh slag...I might put up a vote about the replacement and Cece. Don't give her rank yet! I might change my mind about the disposal of Miss Sunshine.))

Name: Xychona
Nickname: Banshee
Allegiance: Probably neutral (I'm going with the flow, Maxies and Preds needs an episode to fight for her.)
Function: Aerial reconnaissance/Aerial combat specialist/Volunteered Psychologist.
Alt. Mode: Ghost Bat
Height: 7 ft
Quote: "Willpower is a powerful weapon in any battle. Use it to gain victory."

Strength: 7
Intelligence: 7
Speed: 6
Endurance: 6
Rank: 6
Courage: 7
Firepower: 6.5
Skill: 8.5

Biography: Before Xychona got herself caught in the middle of the Beast Wars, she was a psychologist but retired as the stress of her job was too much for her. There were some incidents where some of her patients went insane and ballistic due to their mental condition and tried to kill her. Before she was a psychologist, she had military training, cybertronian martial art training and acrobatic/gymnastic training. Few months after her retirement as a psychologist, she joined a maximal exploration mission even though she was a predacon at creation. Of course being around with the maximals didn't bother her but it rarely made her feel like an odd-one-out. Out of curiousity, she opened an empty stasis pod, wondering why there were protoforms on the Axalon. When the Darksyde attacked the Axalon, Xychona fell into the pod, trapped inside with her datapad some other portable tools carried by her. The only time she panicked was when the pods were jettisoned into space. It took a long time for her pod to crashland on the planet and get herself unknowingly involved in the beast wars.

Weapons:
- Durabyllium throwing knives
These knives can be coated with liquid cybervenom. It can be equiped on her wings.

- Laser battle rifle (Semi automatic)

- Sonic cry
It messes your head, targeting systems (like Nightscream). It can be a sonic blast

- Twin arm blades
Blades that are equiped on her arms. (Like Witchblade or BloodRayne's weapon)

Abilities:
- Echo location
Banshee can send out sound waves to "see" things. Especially in pitch black places which requires night vision.

- Blink (Warping like Cybertron's Sideways but only for herself)
Banshee is able to teleport around but not in long distances. Warping will consume her energy depending on how far she warps

- Thrusters are designed to be silent so it makes the cloaking ability effective when flying and her recon job easier.

Weaknesses:
- Sudden bright lights
- One slice on her wing membranes could ground her.
- Loud booming or clashing sounds near her audios would make her stunned or dazed for a while

Sample Post:
It was dark and a rainy night. Multiple raindrops fell on Banshee's face. What happened? Where was she? How did she even landed in this place? She could remember the Axalon was under attack, being trapped in an empty stasis pod and being sent out into Space.

"Have to get back...to the Axalon.." the white femme slowly stood up. It was clear that she was weak from hunger. When a bolt of lightning flashed into the sky, Xychona fell backwards in horror. What was she? Her shadow was not her regular self but a large eared creature with wings. Xychona looked at herself and touched her face. What monstrosity she had become? Her robotic skin and armor was replaced with ghostly white fluff and organic skin. That would have to wait, right now she needs energy. Xychona spotted a small hare hiding in a bush, trying to find shelter. The femme in white slowly crept behind the hare and clamped her jaws on it's body.

((Heh...making a psychologist since there are too many crazy preds running around. Which reminds me...If there's a Joker, there has to be a sane Harleen Quinzel around. But I'm not sure Banshee acts like Harleen.))