"I'll have to refer you to Rhinox,"
Aurora had remained silent after Optimus dismissed her and referred her to their chief medical officer. It wasn't that she was particularly upset by his dismissal, but it really didn't make her feel any less anxious as far as knowing how the others were doing. Then again it was possible Optimus didn't really have all the details yet, even if he had been present when part of the brig collapsed.
Well, at least she could find some comfort in knowing that Rattrap was safe and getting repaired in the cryo chamber, and she was fairly certain Primal would have announced it had anyone gotten severely injured or, she dreaded to even think it, had died. Still, she didn't really want to have to speculate.
She remained silent for a moment as Cheetor finished his temporary repairs on her foot and helped her stand up. The fuzor grimaced a bit from some pain as she attempted to put some weight on that leg, but at least doing so hadn't caused the repairs the cheetah had made come undone. In fact they were actually holding up fairly well considering the hurried work and the young male's experience level.
"Maybe you should consider becoming Rhinox' apprentice?," she complemented Cheetor while taking the first couple of shaky steps, drawing a sigh of relief as the pain didn't really worsen too much as she walked. Dinobot lingered nearby, ready to assist if needed, or at least so the fuzor assumed he would. He might be grumpy, and a former Predacon, but he was very much so a Maximal alongside the rest of them now. Even if the transition may not have been as smooth for the raptor as it had been for some of the other recruits.
"I will. This attack should not go unpunished."
True.. But as far as the fuzor knew, all the Predacons had safely retreated by now. So that punishment would have to wait until a later date.
“If we lose something else we got problems.”
The fuzor agreed with their assessment of the situation, but she didn't really say anything about it. During her relatively short time alive she had already lost more than most would during a lifetime, so it wasn't something she cared to focus on more than what was absolutely necessary. Doing so would only lead her down a dark and depressing path, she knew that much from experience, and it wasn't a mindset she had enjoyed in the least. So she tried to keep up a healthier spirit and not to dwell too much on things.
“Rattrap is tougher than he looks, we can be thankful for that.
Oh, Aurora didn't know about that. The first time she met the rodent she had actually thought he looked kind of mean and tough despite, or perhaps as a result, of his size, but her opinion of him had changed as soon as he had opened his mouth. Ever since she had enjoyed the high spirited rodent's company, even finding herself emulating his behaviors and often the way he expressed himself. When her own repairs were done and Rattrap was in better shape as well, she couldn't wait to talk to him and give him a nice hug.
"Would be nice if we could give the Predacons a taste of their own medicine," she muttered as she limped her way to the infirmary while using Cheetor for support. Indeed it would. Of course she was as of yet unaware of the fact that one of those Predacons was still very much so still present at the Axalon. It took them a little longer than usual, but they eventually did reach the infirmary without any additional incidents. Rhinox and a few others were already there, prompting the fuzor to smile at them before continuing.
"You should get healed up in no time."
"Yeah.. I'd still feel better if I had a true expert like Rhinox repairing me, but I suppose the CR will have to do.. this time," the fuzor responded to Tigatron, who had been waiting for them there. Well, he was actually busy repairing Whitegrazer, who looked like her leg could use some extensive repairs as well. The little fuzor smiled briefly at both the tiger and the equine before turning her attention to the CR chambers.
"You are aware that Rattrap is in the CR chamber?"
She nodded to that. Indeed, she did know, but only thanks to Wintersong's report. And the rodent's survival was yet another thing she was eternally grateful for right now. This day could truly have ended much worse than it had.. Whitegrazer, too, appeared concerned about Rattrap. Perhaps she didn't know yet. "Yeah, they managed to get to Rattrap in time. He's in one of the CR chambers," the fuzor responded to the mare's inquiry.
Aurora wasted no time locating an available CR chamber and climbing in, even though part of her felt very uneasy about them after witnessing Icebreaker take his last breath in one of them. That particular chamber had since been removed, of course, and thoroughly examined without finding any evidence that his death had been the result of a malfunction in the chamber. Still.. Every time Aurora had to set foot in one of these things, she couldn't help thinking about the traumatic moment she had realized there wasn't anything that could be done to save the penguin's life.
Fighting that slight feeling of panic that she always felt whenever the chamber doors closed, sealing her in, Aurora soon settled down and let the chamber do what it needed to do to complete the repairs.
"Nor do I,"
Optimus' voice was cold, almost frigidly so in fact, causing Nemesis to inadvertently lower her gaze to the floor again at that moment. She felt.. strange, honestly, torn between a state of guilt and a sense of urgency to depart this place. She really had wanted to avoid meeting up with Primal like this, not having any desire to face him after he had witnessed her earlier actions. It really wasn't that she'd been trying to kill Rattrap, no, it had been a necessity to force the Maximals to lower the shields. Many words could be used to describe the Maximal leader, such as honorable, compassionate, accepting of those around him. But foolish wasn't one of those descriptions she could have used, so Nemesis had been certain he wouldn't have lowered the shields unless forced to do so. But in forcing his hand the way she had, she knew his wrath would be turned to her. And she knew his disappointment and anger towards her would hurt. She just hadn't known how much.
Until now.
"Get out of my way, Optimus," she told him, trying to keep up a stern facade that was rapidly crumbling.
"You don't understand what's at stake here."
It was true. Megatron may not share many of the admirable qualities found in his Maximal counterpart, but he had shared enough of his plans for the future for Nemesis to know where she needed to stand in this war. Sure, the tyrant hadn't indulged her with every tidbit of knowledge, no, but he was going to change the future and create a better world for their kind. That much she was sure of. And Zodiac was merely a loose end that needed to be done away with, a threat that couldn't be allowed to linger any longer. His fate had been sealed the moment he plunged his sword through Megatron's abdomen and left the tyrant for dead after sabotaging his private CR tank.
"His body is too small to handle that kind of energy,"
Despite all the disagreements between the rodent and his leader, it was clear that the Maximal in front of her cared a great deal for his tiny friend. Nemesis crossed her arms, allowing Optimus to finish without interrupting him. It wasn't that she was putting on a display of defiance as much as just not quite knowing what to do with herself while Primal raged at her. She supposed she could attempt to force her way past him, but that much seemed futile. This was still Primal's base, after all, and despite its present condition it would appear his Maximals were still alive and managing surprisingly well. So unless she wanted to haul an armada of Maximals with her as she returned to Megatron, she needed Primal to let her go willingly.
"He could have survived one shock, but surviving two is unlikely."
His comment resulted in her narrowing her optics at him.
"He's still alive!," Nemesis protested the accusation,
"Or at least he was when I left him. Shouldn't you be tending to him rather than yelling at me about something I can't undo?" Besides.. Even if the rat did die, it wouldn't be like it was the first life Nemesis had taken. There had been a few, more than a few, on her track record. And she had never made any claims of otherwise. Of course if he did die, it was unlike that Optimus would ever let the matter rest. He would hunt her down, or at least that's what she would have done in his place. Honestly it was difficult for her to fully comprehend the Maximal way of thinking, since Predacons and Decepticons viewed the world quite differently.
"All things considering,"
She let out a sigh, realizing this was a discussion she couldn't win. Optimus had been angry with her before, but never like this. Whatever this friendship they had established was based on, she had effectively ruined it. Without realizing it, her shoulders slumped together a bit as she bit into her lip.
"As if there was some redeeming quality behind your actions."
His words stung more than she cared to admit. Truthfully she hadn't really given a second thought to anything but the mission after she had left Rattrap in that relatively safe location near where she had electrocuted him, but Optimus' anger was forcing her to reassess her own actions.
"Who knows how long it took for someone to help him,"
True.. But at least she had given them the opportunity to come to his aid. Unless, of course, some of her fellow Predacons had gotten to him first. No doubt Primal would hold her responsible for that as well.
"Only the future can determine if those actions were forgivable or not," she reminded him after a brief pause, however they were likely considering very different outcomes in this war. It didn't appear that she'd be able to persuade Primal of this, however, still she made one last effort to shift the blame onto him instead, even if she knew perfectly well that the choice had been hers alone.
"You forced my hand. We both know you wouldn't have given into our demands otherwise."
The word were difficult to get out, but she was still trying to maintain a certain level of arrogance as not to appear weak. Weakness was a trait Predacons scoffed at and since she was their second in command, appointed by Megatron himself, she had to hold herself to certain standards. No matter how difficult it was at times.
"Who am I even speaking to right now?"
The real me, she wanted to tell him in a spiteful tone. But she refrained from doing so, oddly enough finding it difficult to lie to Optimus. She respected him too much for that, and despite their difference in opinion she still cared about him. Like she had ever since their first sit down so long ago when she had opened up to him about her experiences.
"Listen.. I am genuinely sorry for what happened here today. But it was necessary. If it's any consolation, know that you fought impossible odds to save Zodiac and I'm confident your selfless actions were noticed by the condemned bot. And you should know that Zodiac's suffering won't last long. Megatron vowed to kill him after what happened between them, and I'm sure he won't waste any time doing it."
Hopefully her words would be enough to dissuade him from taking further action. After all there was a good chance Zodiac was already dead. Hopefully not, though, since she was certain her presence there for the event was expected.
"Perhaps it was weak of me to grant you refuge when you needed it..."
Primal's expression softened, at least for a moment, yet Nemesis wasn't prepared for the words the Maximal was about to utter. And with those few words he managed to shatter that wall of confidence she had put up to protect herself. Her voice was a lot more quiet when she spoke up again.
"I didn't mean.."
She then stopped, turning her gaze away again. Oh how she hated how seemingly effortlessly Primal was able to break her down, he certainly had an uncanny ability to halt someone in their tracks with mere words. And try as she might to sound strong and confident, her response sounded anything but convincing.
"Perhaps it was.. Cut your losses, Optimus, and learn from those past mistakes. Just step away and allow me to depart."
Her voice carried a bit more desperation than she wanted, but she really didn't have much time before the other Maximals would arrive to intervene as well. And they wouldn't have such emotional stakes in all of this as Primal did, or at least she didn't think so.
"I was making progress with him, Nemesis,"
Maybe.. Nemesis recalled Zodiac as being very different from the arrogant and pompous jerk who had showed up and tried to kill them all. He'd been a mere child when she knew him, someone who was always getting picked on by the guards and others. Someone who was always trying to prove himself, yet wasn't often given the chance to do just that. Someone who grew into a rebellious teenager, intelligent and dangerous... and unpredictable as few. Perhaps she had been too rash.. too quick to jump on the bandwagon, so to speak.
"Others have said similar things about him and they are now dead," she reminded Primal, yet she didn't sound entirely convinced herself.
The ensuing brawl between the two friends fighting on opposite sides was surprisingly short lived, in part thanks to the appearance of a few of the other Maximals. Initially Nemesis had struggled quite a bit while Optimus gripped her tightly, but she calmed down considerably after Wintersong fired that strange looking weapon that turned out to be an EMP at her. Even so, as the nanomachines went into a state of slumber, Nemesis cringed ever so slightly from the burning sensation in her abdomen. Yet Optimus didn't let go, if anything he held her a bit more tightly as her legs started giving out and she nearly collapsed to the ground. Despite it all Nemesis still attempted to pull free, but quickly stopped as she realized it was futile to do so until her strength returned to her.
"Wintersong, get some energy bonds,"
Glancing back at Primal who had locked his wrists around her waist and one of her arms, also trapping one of her wings in the process as well, Nemesis faintly shook her head. Feeling helpless wasn't an emotion she enjoyed, and even now she was starting to feel a bit claustrophobic just thinking about having to wear restraints.
"Please don't..," she whispered to Optimus, barely loud enough for him to hear her. But she was interrupted from finishing her sentence when the Commander reaffirmed his position further.
"The brig is demolished, so, we can't use it to house prisoners, but I have a smaller, more confined space in mind,"
Nemesis' reaction was instantaneous, and she made a jerking movement to try to pry away from him. Still with no success.
"Not that, please," she begged him, sounding a lot more desperate than before.
"You can't.. You know what it will do to me." Sighing at how pathetic she sounded and acted, Nemesis then stopped her struggling entirely, realizing that it was her own refusal to cooperate that had resulted in this.
A short distance away she could hear the other female still talking to her, as if nothing had happened. It was an uncanny ability the white mare possessed, one that separated her from those around her, and one that likely would have annoyed Nemesis a fair amount had she not just gotten the wind knocked out of her.
"I have a knack for going and being in places where I shouldn't be. I a m bit stubborn. No, more than a bit."
You think?, the avian female almost replied yet she refrained from doing so due to the situation she was now in.
"Why are you trying to help me..?," she then pondered out loud, feeling.. something.. from the other female. Honestly the Predacon didn't quite know how to process the calming effect Whitegrazer usually had on those around her. Whatever it was, it seemed to be working as Nemesis started calming down. Or perhaps it was the way Primal was holding her, no that couldn't be it, she normally hated close contact like that. Must be the effects of the EMP then.. Maybe.
"Nemesis," "We have to try."
"It's better this way, now he won't be able to harm us ever again," Nemesis protested, or at least tried to, yet she no longer sounded as convinced that this was actually the case. Her movements at this point had decreased to only some faint twitching now and again, as if she'd given up on trying to break Optimus' steel grip.
"We helped you when Zodiac had framed you. We gave you sanctuary when Megatron and the Predacons wanted you. Zodiac, despite it all, deserves the same chance."
Why did Optimus always have to put everyone else's life before his own? Nemesis still remembered that awful day when she'd watched Primal's pod that had been rigged to work as a one person vessel, explode as he reached the alien device in space. While the other Predacons cheered the event, Nemesis had remained silent, solemnly watching the monitor which clearly showed Primal had been destroyed. She still didn't know how he'd come back, and to be perfectly honest she didn't really care, yet she had been quite relieved when she had come to realize who the new Maximal who had appeared to save the day truly was.
"Going there in your current state would be suicide," Nemesis replied, hoping to stall them still. Megatron would have his revenge one way or another, and she really didn't want to be on the receiving end of his rage.. again. Yes, she was well aware that the Maximals had helped her and perhaps even saved her life in the past, but this was now and the situation had changed drastically. Now she was no longer being hunted for a crime she didn't commit, no, now she had climbed the ranks to second in command and actually held some influence over how things turned out.
"I have to try, Nemesis. I wouldn't be able to live with myself if I didn't, at the very least, do that much. If your roles were reversed, and you were in trouble with Megatron, I would do everything I could to save you."
Slowly shaking her head, Nemesis then lowered her gaze to the floor again. For someone so intelligent, Optimus could sure come across as something of a naive idealist sometimes. And stubborn as a mule. Indeed, he and Whitegrazer were perfect for each other in that sense.
"They will only kill you as well," the avian female said with a disgruntled sigh.
"And you won't be able to come back next time. Just let it go, Optimus, please.."
Her words lacked the conviction they held only a short time before, likely because somewhere deep down she already knew they weren't going to listen to her. And Primal would lay down his life for anyone, he had proven as much on more than one occasion.
Moments later Wintersong returned with the energy bonds, but for some reason Nemesis did not struggle as her arms were adjusted and the cuffs were placed on her. She blamed it on the fatigue left in the wake of the EMP strike, but truthfully it was more likely that Whitegrazer and Optimus had more to do with it. Even now that the white mare had left with Tigatron to complete the remainder of her repairs, Nemesis stayed calm despite her instincts telling her to flee. Once the cuffs were in place, the female eyed them somewhat dispassionately for a moment before finally glancing back at Optimus again.
"You can let go now..," she told him.
"After everything you both have been through together, you're willing to just throw it away with his life? Are you honestly tired of him and see his life entirely unworthy to try and help? Or are you merely following Megatron's orders because of the fear he has instilled in you?"
And there it was. Primal had just seen through all those levels of hurt she tried so desperately to hide, as if he already knew her answer.
"There's more to it than that," she confirmed in a quiet voice, despite the fact that most of the others had already left. Slowly raising her bound wrists, she drew another sigh.
"You're not playing fair, Optimus.. He'd kill me if I took this away from him," she continued, referencing Megatron rather than Zodiac at this point.
"Or he'd let that creepy spider do his dirty work for him since he has recently taken an interest in the technology within us," she explained, for once admitting that Zodiac and her were two of a kind.
"Tarantulas approached me the other day, telling me he wanted Zodiac for himself. And that if he couldn't have him, he'd get the samples he needed from me instead." And
that genuinely seemed like a fate worse than death.
Frilla had joined them as well but Nemesis only barely glanced over when the former Predacon deemed traitor addressed her presence there. By some strange coincidence the last time the two of them saw each other was when Nemesis had sought refuge at the Axalon after Zodiac framed her, which had been a considerable time ago now.
“And Nemesis...do you ever not find yourself coming back here.”
The avian female shook her head with a sigh, since in truthfulness she wished she was anywhere but here right now.
"Yes, it's like I'm drawn here like a moth to the light. Although I have been trying to make my departure," she mumbled in return while glancing back at Optimus.
"I played a part in making Zodiac who he is, and despite everything he has put me and my crew through, I'm still willing to risk my life to save him and put him on a different path. What does it say about your character when you support his termination; that you won't even help me help him? Compassion goes a long way, Nemesis, especially for someone like Zodiac who hasn't been given any his entire life. He's still capable of learning. He's not completely lost."
"You're willing to die for him..," Nemesis stated meekly, taking a moment to contemplate her feelings for the Maximal commander as well as the respect she held for him.
"So you're going after him with or without my cooperation then. Oh Optimus, sometimes I wonder about you.."
After another pause, Nemesis finally turned her head to look at the commander again. Only this time there was a certain regret and even sorrow visible in her optics, likely due to the fact that she just didn't see any way for Optimus to pull this off without getting himself killed.
"Fine..," she then muttered as she finally gave in.
"You're a fool for going, but it's obvious I won't be able to stop you. So here goes.. Megatron wanted to make sure you wouldn't be able to intervene, so he took Zodiac to an area in neutral territory. The coordinates there are 103.28.11. Just please.. stay safe. I don't think I could live with myself knowing you died because of me."
"Well, I am always the exception to the rule,"
Naturally.. Of course this had been Cryotek's philosophy for as long as the shape shifter had been alive, so it was no wonder that his protege shared it. It seemed to be a common theme among those with tyrannical tendencies, of course Megatron had been known to take it to a whole new level. Well, Zodiac still wasn't about to grovel for his life. He knew that would accomplish absolutely nothing and he didn't wish to give Megatron the satisfaction.
"Who's to say that all of this was not Cryotek's idea to begin with, hm?"
That.. seemed unlikely. Zodiac had been there to see Cryotek's reaction when Megatron had deserted after stealing the golden disk from him. The rage and disappointment had been genuine. Cryotek was many things, but he wasn't one to hold back on his emotional state. When someone had disappointed him, he would let his displeasure be felt. The renegade would know this, as he'd been on the receiving end of Cryotek's rage more than once.
"Oh Meggy, there were were certainly lessons to be learned from growing up in your shadow," the renegade said rather cryptically and surprisingly honestly.
"Perhaps I have been his pawn all along. Perhaps we have been partners. Either way, you were always destined to be the fall-out,"
Yeah.. that stung a bit. Even if he knew it wasn't true. It couldn't have been. Although even now, the younger male didn't know why he'd always been treated so differently from Megatron, who seemed to have been placed on a pedestal. Even as a traitor to Cryotek, the war criminal held Megatron up to certain standards. In fact his decision to go after Nexus Prime had been a result of the fallout of his protege leaving. And in a sense Zodiac held a bit of resentment about that as well. He had never met Megatron in person before he came to Earth, and even while Megatron served as Cryotek's confidant and second in command the latter would always make sure to keep the two separated. Based on the tyrant's reaction to first meeting the renegade, he couldn't have known about him or his abilities. So obviously Cryotek kept some secrets, even from those closest to him.
"I could provide you with an advantage," Zodiac muttered, but it was becoming blatantly obvious he was speaking to deaf audioreceptors. No, he still wouldn't beg for his life, but at this point his own hope rested with persuading the Predacons they were making a mistake.
"You could benefit from the knowledge I hold about both Cryotek's recent operations as well the Maximal elders. And you can make use of my abilities to further your own gain when you return to Cybertron."
Would he stay loyal if given the opportunity? Of course not. But if there was a shred of hope he could get out of this situation alive, he would grab it.
"Is this the same nonsense you attempted to spin on Primal?" he asked him accusingly. "It sounds remarkably... perfidious,"
And just like that Megatron shot down his efforts to talk his way out. Zodiac shook his head, letting out a slight and humorless chuckle since his only option now would be to best the tyrant in battle.. without weapons and surrounded by his goons. So be it.
The battle actually seemed to go in the renegade's favor at first, as he had been able to land several punches against the tyrant's smug face and had managed to trap him. In fact it almost seemed too easy, yet the renegade had been too caught in the act of murdering this scumbag he had always heard such high remarks about to fully realize he was being set up to fail. And the combined efforts of Spineback's sedatives along with Megatron's own brutal attack to his abdomen, not unlike what the young renegade had done to him back during their meeting in the tyrant's private chamber, managed to bring the shape shifter to his knees. And then even lower, as he collapsed on the ground.
"Let this incompetent fool be an example for anyone who dares to outwit me!"
Megatron's bellowing laughter echoed through the area, and it certainly did nothing to ease the headache that the renegade was already feeling due to the attacks on his nanomachines. In fact it felt as if his head was about to explode, as well as his abdomen, and the rest of his body was still twitching rather violently as the spasmodic contractions that originated from his gut area slowly started calming down now that his nanomachines were starting to shut down. Tarantulas remained next to him as well, chuckling in a more subtle but still very much so creepy fashion, as he enjoyed seeing his handiwork in action.
"Excellent, Tarantulas,"
"Ehehehe, always my pleasure to serve you," the spider responded. Of course he wasn't being genuine and Megatron knew it, but as of right now the tyrant was about to give the spider what he wanted. His new toy, as it were.
Megatron moved in closer, only to rip the dagger violently out of the renegade's abdomen. This prompted a pained grimace and a whimper from the barely conscious shape shifter, and he inadvertently curled himself into a fetal position as he grasped his throbbing abdomen, his hand covering the gaping hole left in the weapon's wake.
"Let us reserve his terrified spark for Rampage's consumption, shall we?"
Even though his mind was in a haze, his body seemingly frozen in its current position, and the pain overloading his sensors, Zodiac could still hear them talk around him. Gloat at him, or at least that's what he presumed they were doing since he had a hard time processing what was being said. And perhaps that was for the best, honestly, since he didn't want to know what they planned to do. Whatever it was, it would be a terrible way to go. And yet as he lay there, only occasionally twitching a bit due to his overloaded circuits, he found his thoughts drifting away from all of this. Away from the nightmare he had gotten himself into, away from the Predacons he had alienated and the events that had taken place after his arrival on this planet. Perhaps it was due to the effects of the drugs in his system, or.. whatever it was he had been injected with, or maybe it was a self-defense mechanism.. his last, as it would seem, detaching him from the harsh reality surrounding him.
Yet even in this state, he felt her presence as she tried to calm him and soothe his spark to mask the pain of it all. And while he would normally dismiss her, this time he didn't. It did help him feel a little better knowing that at least in some small way, he wouldn't die alone.
"Stay alive, Zodiac, fight. We are coming. I am coming.
Although he didn't believe for even an instant that there was anything Whitegrazer, or Optimus, or anyone else could do at this point. They were too far away, and they didn't know where he was even. How could they save him? Why would they even want to after everything he had done? Perhaps it was just as well that this would all be over soon, since the knowledge that Tarantulas had other plans for him as well would no doubt have been even more frightening..
"I can't..," he whispered, unaware that he'd vocalized the words for the nearby Predacons to hear rather than merely thought them. And then everything went dark.
Tarantulas looked down at the now unconscious shape shifter at his feet, his prolonged chuckle finally fading into silence as he looked on with interest.
"I find your lack of insight appalling, Megatron," Tarantulas then remarked to discourage the use of such a magnificent scientific achievement as mere food for Rampage. He had already started scanning the still form on the ground with his equipment.
"I'm picking up some rather interesting results." Indeed, if his readings were correct then Zodiac was a mixture of both Vok and Cybertronian technologies. The two shouldn't even be compatible, yet here he was laying in a pitiful heap at their feet.
Megatron and the others seemed more concerned about which limb to start disassembling first, a thought that made the spider let out a slight cackling sound. While it was true they
could try to dismember him, chances were it would only result in the presently dormant nanomachines waking up and defending their host. Of course that would be rather amusing to watch, so Tarantulas wasn't going to try to stop them. No, the concoction he had injected Zodiac with wasn't meant to kill him and certainly not harm his nanomachines. No, instead it was designed to make the host, or Zodiac as it were, more.. willing.. to serve his new master. The spider didn't want to have to deal with another unruly underling like BlackArachnia, after all, no. This time he wanted to make sure his slave wouldn't cause him any trouble or future regret. And to do that, the individual Zodiac was had to go.
(ooc: In case someone already read my post, I did add a small part about Nemesis addressing Frilla towards the end of Nem's part..)