( Just to note to everyone. Wintersong posted in the absentee forum that she'll be gone all summer. So Wintersong and Spineback are MIA until she returns. So battle wise, Moon or Blackrose can choose however they want to forcibly have Spineback retreat and move further into the battle.
As for Ironclaw, he doesn't worry about Cyber venom because honey badgers don't give a slag.

Or rather seem to have some strong skin preventing fangs from piercing and poisoning them. oddly some mice/rats have a minor immunity, and Opossum are completely immune to snake venom from how their immune system works.
In the arthropod kingdom, armor plating does stop venom as Harvestmen (Yes the spindly giant legged arachnids) have thick armor plating that spiders can't bite through, much akin also to certain beetles having such armor plating that even Tarantulas bites don't penetrate through. Though.. somehow Spitting Spiders use venom coated webbing they spit from their fangs to poison some insects while tying them up like something out of Spiderman. So.. I dunno there.
Cybervenom Defined by the TF wiki
http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Cyber_venom
Which mentions the different delivery method, either barbs, spikes, or energy transmitted carrying a computer virus as mentioned by Darkspark (I believe he also sourced the TF wikis)
So this would mean certain delivery methods would be less effective then others.. though outside of Blackarachnia,Banshee,and Umbra, I don't believe anyone else uses the dart or barb method. Darkspark wanted Tarantulas to use or assumed he still used Cybervenom through his gun, though to be honest that is never seen when he's a Transmetal in the tv series, but honestly I don't care too much there because modifying canon characters is fine.
Now.. in terms of how I've defined it for Umbra is rather set. His poison sword and poison tipped Gauss spikes each do 1 point of cyber venom damage based off the player's endurance stat, which builds up over time to poison them weakening the enemy's strength and speed stats.. so knocking them unconscious isn't a requirement. However, this only works if Umbra can cut or impale a spike into the enemy armor, as the thin cut or hole transmits a small amount of poison into their system. If the sword directly impales into them the character takes max Cyber venom damage pumping the stuff in there in larger volumes, but they're only unconscious or paralyzed for 15 minutes or whenever the player defines.. and do not require CR treatment.
In terms of Quickstrike, generally is similar. Bites do more damage if impaled through armor, but his Cyber venom blasts can hit a limb and inflict some poison effect which can build up over time from more hits, much like in the battle against Silverbolt. Instead of falling to the ground, he had issues moving limbs swiftly as they lock up. The only difference is since Quickstrike can fire a continuous beam of venom, he effectively can jackhammer a character down over time.
Banshee has Poison tipped throwing blades, so I assume they have to pierce to inflict poison status.
Now in terms of Spider bites, those HAVE to pierce, but in terms of energy based attacks.. I assume we just thought they ignored armor, since there have been cases in the show where Quickstrike just nails someone in the face with a blast and they go down..
But, as the wiki states, the Cyber venom has alot of inconsistency.. particularly sometimes characters go down from a hit, or just get weakened. The beam version itself seems to be capable of causing ignition, and is capable of physical impact damage much like many of the other beam or energy weapons in the show, while also sending a transmitted viral code to mess with cybertronian circuits..
So, lets hear what Darkspark and Blackrose have to say, considering they primarily use Cyber venom as an energy type, since any verdict directly effects them the most.
Also as for Cerebro shells, Bombshell/Hardshells weapon of choice.. they work sort of similarly to cyber venom but not exactly. Cerebro shells impale or attach to the head of a transformer or organic lifeform and unleash a bunch of wires which directly take over and control the mind of the victim. For transformers, it's easy to remove, but for humans and other organic creatures it's a nightmare for a brain surgeon. Similar effects have been seen in the animal kingdom from parasites and some types of fungus.. much like insect larva implanted into roaches and things which the larva takes over the mind of the roach while slowly eating it from the inside until it bursts free as a new wasp.. )
( OOC:
Mystrea wrote:However his testicles would be the biggest problem, they would be hard to predict and could swing the battle out of the badger's favor.
LOL Yes, Umbra's balls sway like a Tanuki.

And while it reminded me of a japanese commercial, I don't think I can post that here.
As for Umbra's durability, yeah, Umbra isn't the most durable, but more so to cutting or projectile based damage. Blunt impacts he can survive a bit better since he's squishy and rubbery. This is part of why Umbra could hold up to being thrown around by Whitegrazer so much. But you could easily sink your claws into his rubbery hide.)
Umbra fell back as Ironclaw rushed him and pinned him to the ground, watching as the slightly larger soldier brought his fist up, instinctively bringing his hand up to grab Ironclaw's wrist, Umbra simply smirked as two of his tentacles raised the two up slightly at an angle as his back Siphon positioned itself. His siphon then fired off his jump jet, launching the two into the air, turning and having Ironclaw land on his back rather hard due to the angle of the launch, as well as Umbra's own weight.
Two of the Ninja's tentacles slithered around Ironclaw's free arm to pin it down, Umbra then brought his robot hand into a Hammer fist position, bringing it down on Ironclaw's face.
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(Mouth full of acid sounds rather horrible, so probably a good choice not to bite his knee.

I assumed she would of just jumped at him and he'd have to block with his forearm since.. Landslide can take handle her attacks better then alot of the others. Oh well, either way, she'll probably wake up after awhile at the base.)
Landslide observed as Saber went from looking like a wild animal ready to strike, to a confused mess. He walked towards Saber and tackled her to the ground, surprisingly pinning her down as he reached from his side, pulling out a strange grenade like object and hit a button on the side as a needle extended, then jammed the needle near her neck injecting a tranquilizer into her system.
Sorry.. Sleep well lass. he pulled the tranquilizer shell from her neck, then heard his radio.
Rattrap wrote:"Is everybody okay?" "Regroup at the pod."
Aye.. Nothing a bit of repairs back at the wont fix lad. I just tranqed Fangs.. Landslide then noticed the broken fang on Saberfang, looking around as he noticed the other half on the ground
Looks like we may need to do some dentistry on er'. We'll be there soon. he chuckled and got up slowly, staggering as his leg sparked. He reached into his side pulling out a grease gun, then started to spray his knee and leg down, to flush and dilute the acid eating at his body, as it would eventually take his leg off before he got back to base.
Making his way to the fang he picked it up, putting it away with the grease gun, then made his way to Saberfang, lifting her up and passing her to his back insect legs as his back container opened, loading her inside and closing.
He transformed to his beetle mode, making his way to the Stasis pod on his five legs, then stopped looking towards Rattrap
I loaded er' in the back, how are you doing.. and Uh.. What do we do with this thing lad? the beetle then looked towards the Stasis pod pointing at it with his large head horn
You want me to take this back too?